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Axrik   apsua   axrik@hotmail.com   hihi   амҽыш 15 жьҭаара 2006 21:01
The present de facto government refers to the existence of the Soviet Socialist Republic that was created in 1925.
This republic was created by the greatest dictator of all time, Stalin, and his helpers. In the 30s Nestor Lakoba organized the assimilation of the Georgian peasant population. People who agreed to register as Abkhazian were freed from military service, received cattle and other privileges. Tens of thousands of Georgians were happy to accept such an offer because in their opinion they were already Abkhazians (i.e. inhabitants of the province of Abkhazia). But the real purpose was to increase the (registered) number of Apsua (a Northern Caucasus people that moved to the (attractive) Black Sea shores. In the 70s such assimilation programs were repeated, now with promise of cars, houses and university access.
In 1993 hundreds of thousands of Georgians were driven from Abkhazia.
Most other ethnic groups have meanwhile also left Abkhazia. The result is a mono-ethnic "republic".
Solution: 300.000 Georgian refugees return to their homes, democratic elections are held and a referendum to decide the future status of Abkhazia.
Until this happens the Abkhazian repubic is a fake.
сосо   сша   meliavam@yahoo.com   ашәахь 2 жьҭаара 2006 05:03

ФАТИМА     ахәуаш 29 цәыббра 2006 08:37
Аҧсныжәлар!Ҽаанбзиала Аиааира Мшы шәаҧылааит!Аибашьра иҳамнахыз ҳауаа зегьы Ҳазшаз рыҧсы дахылаҧшааит!Уажәырнахыс еибашьрак ҳаимырбакәа ҳхәыҷқәа қәнагала рааӡаха ҳаираӡааит!
  аҩаш 12 цәыббра 2006 23:45
Аҧсҭазаара
Ҧсышәак аҵамкәа зынӡа -
Ҵаара змам ачыс йаҩызоуп -
Йышшаӡа.
(Т. Аџьба)
ҦСЫШӘАЛА ШЕЙЦӘАЖӘАЛА, АҦСУАА!
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jomart     ахаш 6 цәыббра 2006 07:36
God bless you my dear,
Wish you all the luck in the world…
Abkhazia will always be a republic of peace
Hope to see you on day in Abkhazia,
chus
ФАТИМА     аҩаш 5 цәыббра 2006 11:07
Hi Jomart.
You are right. But I nevertheless hoped though for a small share of prudence, even one of them(georgians).
Jomart     ашәахь 4 цәыббра 2006 20:02
Hi there Fatima:
You have to understand that MR. sandy is a move maker; I think he is searching for a new story for his next movie because what he wrote in his last 2 post exists only in cinema.
I don’t recommend continuing your conversation with him because it’s a dead end, for both of you …
He won’t stop making stories even if Abkhazia is recognized by the international law…
They will never stop,
It’s really a sickness,
Leave them alone,
SANDY:
Why your wasting you time in this matter ….
You have future to catch…
You have a MAC computer new …. That’s a big start,
You can now read well over the internet, that’s good to… now you know how to read FATIMA, that’s an upgrade…
You should have some HD camera to practice what you’re studying but in real live you have to know that you shouldn’t fake stories and respect peoples will in determining there Owen lives.
You are repeating what all Georgians are saying,
My friend YOU HAVE TO RESPECT PEOPLE RIGHT TO LIVE THE WAY THEY WANT ….ok
All what you said in you previous post is not true …
Even if you where right, I don’t see any reason why Abkhazia shouldn’t be independent after they have decided to be separated from heavenly Georgia….
Are you fallowing me?
That’s the international law my friend…your stories is for cinema only,
International law gave us the right to be independent, Ok
BYE
Sandy     Sandygeorgia   ашәахь 4 цәыббра 2006 16:56
Tiny Ma;-)
My computer (which is Apple) sometimes has problems with reading certain web sites. Fat ma is how your name was miskakenly displayed and I did not change it. Thanks for taking it as a humour.
I do not know what you mean by "concept of Ingorokva". Would be glad if you tell me a liitle bit about it.
As for the common "history with Russia", I think millions of people have a common history wi them as well as with Iran, Turk, Mongol, British or any other empires. However this is not the case with Georgia since Abkhazia has been a name for the very essential part of it in West. In fact almost the whole western part of Georgia, including Svaneti, Racha, Samegrelo, Imereti was often assosiated with the name of Abkhazia.
Fatima, it is clear that we both are trying to prove opposite to each other but I think we should both try to pay attention to the historical facts as they are often the only sources of what had happened. I am not a historician and of course I dont know yet much but I wanted to hear of them. So, speak up and feel free to interpret your concepts and ideas. I just have a feeling that Georgia was always present on the teritory of Ablkazia and it's been proffed not only by Bedia monastery.
Another thing that looks a little strange to me is that some Abkhaz people say they fight for independense, but in fact what happens is that they fight for dependence. It it a little say to see theses "freedom fighters" happy and proud with Russian passports in the pocket..
It dosn't take to much wisdom to see that Russia tries to extend its territory in Caucasus. As for the abkhaz.. nobody's gonna remember about them soon.
I believe there are some pople in Abkhazia who sees that they should come back to Georgia.
Alright, I need to pack my stuff. today I'm flying HOME!! I spent over a year in the States. Keep posted please.
Also, as you can read in the previous messages I provided a litle date on me. Could you also introduce yourself?
Cheers!
ФАТИМА     ашәахь 4 цәыббра 2006 12:56
I would agree with you unless you are mistaken mentioned about the emigration from northern Caucasus,which can not be truth. İf you use the "concept of Ingoroqua" as a source I even couldn't speak with you. İf we want to discuss we mustn't use absurd theories at least. And concerning the churches... We can have got a common history as well as the churches built by Byzantines. But it doesn't mean we can not have our independent country (I mean each of two country), doesn't it? Look at Ukraine. Didn't it have got a common history with Russia?..
P.S. I appreciate your humor. But it'll be more convenient "tiny ma" rather than "fat ma",
Sandy     sandygeorgia@yahoo.com   амҽыш 3 цәыббра 2006 01:01
Fat Ma,
You referred to the historical facts that, I assume, are considered as strengthening the separatism theory. If your question is what I think about the manipulations that Russia made in Caucasus before or after the ww2 my answer and attitude will be very negative. I do not support and am opposing any kind of force being used against peaceful people.
The conclusion that you make "as we all can see, these "thousands of fanilies"(georgians) returned to their own land" is too superficial. You may feel comfortable with this option though.
As for Georgian families moved to Abkhazia by the end of 40-s: it did happen, and I want to learn more about this from the historical sources. Again, please understand that I am just trying to learn about Abkhazian problem including current and historical events. I’m also aware of the emigration process of the people who moved to Abkhazia from the northern Caucasus and now they claim they are Abkhaz. I think there are many details I want to pay attention to. Anyways, I'm now more in a position of a listener than of a speaker.
In Georgian Art Museum, which is in Tbilisi at the Freedom Square, there is a golden cup with images of the twelve apostles. I believe the cup has old Georgian (Asomtavruli) inscription on it and it is from Beda Monastery in Abkhazia. The inscription refers to its donor “ King bagrat III, King of Abkhazia”. And I don’t believe nor Stalin neither Beria was involved in Building Bedia church, which is one of the many cultural heritages of Georgia. Do you agree?
FATİMA   АҞӘА   ахәуаш 1 цәыббра 2006 12:44
Sandy,
you wrote: "...there are thousands of fanilies who were forced to leave their homes and they must come back to their places, here is the key." But you might forget that these "thousands of fanilies" were forced by Stalin and Beria to leave their homes many years ago to occupy empty houses , I mean the houses of thousands greeks. This is the nearest history(1949).And more than... what about the occupation of manors leaving by thousands abkhazians(f.e. Dal,Tsabal,Kindig etc.)(1864-.....)
So as we all can see, these "thousands of fanilies"(georgians) returned to their own land
jomart     асабш 26 нанҳәа 2006 12:06
ok .... you can start
sandy     sandygeorgia@yahoo.com   аҧшьаш 24 нанҳәа 2006 22:05
Jomart,
Thank you for responding my message! I provided my Email just in case if you wanted to use it, but responding right here on this web is tetally fine, and even better, as others can read it too. So, thank you again.
Let me try to respond to your comments. First of all about the word major, which I used about Georgian language: I wrote "...along many dialactes of the major Georgian language."
I'm writing you from San Francisco and often when people here ask me what language people speak in Georgia I say Georgian. They think it is a dialect of Russian language. (well, Americans associate all former soviet people to Russia, I can't help them much..)
Anyway, the way I explain to them is that Georgian language is absolutely different and it has its own dialects (like Ajarian, Gurian, Kahetian or other) and we also have different languages (Like Svani) that are absolutely different from Georgian itself (I can't undersand it), but the major language in the country is Georgian. I can use other word like prime language or official language or any other...
By the word "major" I don't mean superior or better, absolutely not. So please be sure that I did not mean to offend Abkhazian language, in fact I wish I could speak it, I'm very interested in Caucasian languages but I'm a filmmaker and am busy with studying other things.
As for Stalin.. Well, I think you're not very familiar with Georgians' attitude to Stalin. To keep it short, Georgians have the most negative feelings about him because the numerous reasons:
Thousands of the most inteligent Georgians, who did not share bolshevik ideology were killed or sent to Sibiria by him.
The greatest ratio of sending men to war while WW2 was given to Georgia. In other words, proportionally the greatest number of drafters among those 15 republics was in georgia...
Well my message gets too long but I havn't done with dealing with you accusations yet ;-) [hope you don't mind humour].
Well, I am an emotional person, true, but I do not consider myself mentally sick or disable. I think this is ofending and I will not call you (and especially whole Abkhaz people) mentally disabled if you have different oppinion or view.
So, Jomart, let's agree on one thing: no insults, OK? You wrote about mutual respect, I support this idea and I am for it. Otherwise it will be very difficult for me and you to have a discussion here.
If you accept the rules let's start with introduction: My name is Alexander [shorter would be Alex or Sandy] and I'm 29. Born in Tbilisi. Profession: filmmaker (as mentioned above). What about you?
jomart     аҧшьаш 24 нанҳәа 2006 10:20
I’m open for any discussion regarding maters related to Abkhazia, but in your case you’re my number 6th ,….
Your goanna repeat what your previous 5 friends and discussed before…
It’s the same thing (ABKHAZIA IS FOR GEORGIANS)…
With this approach you will never move to any where, except the Georgian sicknesses of controlling Abkhazia, and that will never happed again (ABKHAZIA IS FOR ABKHAZIANS ONLY), the new generation living in Abkhazia are born free they don’t even know where Georgia is…
Discussion is open to any one but you have to keep in mind that you can’t start it if you don’t respect others rights and wills.
We can open discussion on this forum only so every body will know what is going on not by privet e-mail…
And the discussion will start at this point ONLY “Public & international relations, peace enforcement, human rights issue’s … etc, in the independence republic of APSNI”
any other ideas will be discarded by me like “Abkhazia is not for Abkhazians it’s for Georgians, the war in Abkhazia was a mistake, Georgians & Abkhazian are close ethnic groups, false historic ideas about Georgia’s ownership of the soul of Abkhazian people, getting Abkhazia back to Georgia by force, ….. ”
……
You see you Georgians are mentally disabled in general for one simple reason….
DOMINATION …..
Georgia has dominated Abkhazia…..
Now Abkhazia is out of Georgians bloody hands ….
You Georgians can’t stand it anymore….
You want to take you Stalin gift back …
And you are ready to start war again and again and again ….
Domination is a thing and being the owner of the country is another?
And another thing…
You have posted the fallowing “…As for the different language, as you might know there are two more different languages in Georgia: Svan and Megreli languages along many dialects of the major Georgian language …”
… Major Georgian language …
You forget to mention Abkhazian language …. Georgian friend
There isn’t such thing in the international law dear Georgian friend
MAJOR is out of the book….
You don’t have to be major language to get you right back … dear friend with peaceful ideas…
……
You are all mentally disabled
Your papers are mixed-up on the table; you have to organize your self more.
What ever you tried to prove, I can very easily prove the opposite…
The vision is clear after the war and the road is also clear …. Independence
The war you have started proves what I’m talking about….
What you are talking about is dreams ….
When you respect our will, we respect yours as.
REPUBLIC OF APSNI WILL NEVER BE GEORGIAN
BUT WE CAN BE FRIENDS ….. ONLY
Sandy     Sandygeorgia@yahoo.com   ашәахь 21 нанҳәа 2006 22:13
Hey Jomart,
I've been looking for an Abkhaz person who strongly supports the idea of being Abkhazia separated from Georgia. You seem to be the one. I myself have different opinon and I think the land of Apkhazia historically was alway part of Georgia and this can be proved very easily by reffering to the historical and archeological monuments. As for the different language, as you might know there are two more different languages in Georgia: Svan and Megreli languages along many dialactes of the magor Georgian language.
As for the waking up and smelling coffee: I think this is necessary for the ones who do not see that world is not supporting separatism in Georgia.
Jomart, I do understand your position though, Georgian and Abkhaz were killing each other and that's the nature of war, and the hate that mutually exists between these two people is also natural BUT it is not total. As you know are many Abkhaz people who undesrtand they need to live with Georgians and there are Georgian people who understand they have to overcome the negative feelings and get ready to rebuild friendlt attitude with Abkhaz people.
I agree, peace is a MUST.
One thing you should understand: there are thousands of fanilies who were forced to leave their homes and they must come back to their places, here is the key.
Anyways, I know you will natudallt oppose my ideas but I'm ready to hear yours and discuss them. Please feel free to write me at: sandygeorgia@yahoo.com
I will greatly appreciate it, really..
Jomart     аҧшьаш 17 нанҳәа 2006 23:03
In regards to what you said in your last post, Just to make it short WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE what you have posted is a long time ago, ABKHAZIANS are not Georgians and they will never be because we are ethnically deferent and we speak deferent language and we feel deferent about every bodies future to live the life that we want. You STALIN is dead, and his gift is back to its people, the real issue here what makes Georgians the honors of the will and land of Abkhazian people…
And let me correct what you said in your example, if there is any Abkhazian left in this world he will always say Abkhazia is not Georgian and it will never be.
If this is what you Georgians are fighting for this is the real answer and it’s straight to the point we are ready to fight back.
But if your talking about living together in peace, you have to keep in mind that is should be real peace other wise it will fall on our heads.
GEORGIAN PEOPLE you have to understand that the world is trying to live in peace and every body have to decide how they live, not by any stupid ideas like the one you have mention in your last post. This is not the way my friend you have to respect others opinions and live with it, in the same reason the make you the honor of Abkhazia the blood of the enceinte Abkhazian people wont for give you.
And we won’t forgive you also…
If it’s war let it be …
But it’s not going to be easy…
And you will never take the land that was liberated for the Georgians bloody hands ….
If it’s a peace, …Respect, and understanding, is a must, you have to belive in peoples right to determine there destiny, ……ok
I hope not to see you one day in Abkhazia, ….
Go to Tbilisi and have fun with your great sakashvili, ….
While he’s destroying your real land,
  амҽыш 13 нанҳәа 2006 06:17

always and foorever , Russia may do anything to kill every Georgian in the
entire planet, but if there will be at least one Georgian left, he will
say the same:
Abkhazia is Part of Georgia, and there can be no negotiations or any
discussions about selling it or leaving it for Russians..
Truist me dear Larisa it is true and i just wanted to write it,
I think Abkhazians should know that thei are part of georgian culture and
ethnicity. so why war ?
Georgia is getting ready for war and i know it, but i do not like the idea
or war itself,
But i wish there was easier way to FIGHT RUSSIA (NOT ABKHAZIA)
Денуар Азанҭариа   Аҧсынра, Абжьуаа, ақыҭа Тамшь   sabotaci@gmail.com   www.anyha.info/Gazeta/G11-6t.html   ахәуаш 4 нанҳәа 2006 06:47
Бзера збаша !
абра саҧхьеит Асҭамыр Агырба иҩыз анцамҭа!
-Kak izvestno,..bolee 40.000 gruzinskix i megrelskix semei bili Terroristom Nestor Lakoba vinuzhdeni zapistatsja abxazom. I v 70 x 80 x godax v Abxazii provodilas politika assimilacii gruzinskogo naselenja. " Esli zapisheshsja Abxazom- poluchish kvartiru i mashinu, i budesh uchitsja v Universitete.." pod takoi propagandoi KGB shpioni apsua vinuzhdali grzinskoe naselenie izmenit nacionalnost. Tisjachami gruzinskix semei bili vinuzhdeni izmenit nacionalnost chtobi uluchshit socialnoe polozhenei,..uchitsja v universitet, poluchit zhiljo..
аиашыз уажәранӡа исмаҳац муп.
Ҳаҭыр зқә НЕИЛИ, ибцәыуадаҩмзар бахупш псышәала еиҿыскааз аинтернет даҟьа...
Sandy     Sandygeorgia@yahoo.com   ахаш 2 нанҳәа 2006 23:05
Hello there!
Astamur, your posting looks strange. I don't remember Georgian governemt 20 000 for the changing surname. Anyways..
Hello people!
My name is Alexander. I am Georgian currently living in San Francisco. I'm looking for someone from Abkhazia to speak with. I'm looking for a people who want to talk about what they think can be doone in order to improve the situation in Abkhazia.
I am very interested in the oppinion of the people who have alterative ideas instead os speaking of war.
For me every life of Abkhaz people is as valuable as that of Georgian. So war is not an option for me.
If any ideas, please feell free to write me at sandygeorgia@yahoo.com
Thank you!
Alexander
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